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U.S. Activist killed at "Cop City" site was shot 13 times by police, private autopsy shows
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/atlanta-cop-city-activist-killed-shot-13-times-by-police-autopsy/[removed] — view removed post
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u/bigflamingtaco Feb 07 '23
Having an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.
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u/_fups_ Feb 07 '23
I recommend the ACLU Mobile Justice app (apple store link).
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u/phrendo Feb 08 '23
Any other apps you recommend? That one has bad reviews
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u/00000000000004000000 Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
A lot of online storage service have hooks into your camera app. Once you snap a photo or stop recording, it will automatically upload it to the cloud. Google photos is a great example. Just make sure you lock your phone before the police snatch it from you. You legally cannot be coerced into unlocking it (5th amendment).
It might get ugly if you're in a two party consent state (legal or not, they won't care), so know your rights.
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u/kellasong Feb 08 '23
You CAN be legally coerced into unlocking if you are using biometric authentication. The password is the part that is protected by the fifth, NOT face id, fingerprints, etc. A password is considered testimony, your face isn’t.
IIRC the iPhone, if you turn off your phone it will require password instead of FaceID on initial login, so turn off your phone before police can confiscate it.
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u/00000000000004000000 Feb 08 '23
I did not know that. Good to know. My Android is the same. First time logins after a startup requires a pin. I suspect that was done by design for good reasons (not just cops, but violent muggings, etc).
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u/Agitated_Cake_562 Feb 08 '23
Press the lock button 5 times. It will ask if you want to dial emergency number. (911 or whatever it is in your country) Cancel dialing, but it will now require you to enter your pin to unlock the phone. Face recognition or fingerprint reader won't work until you enter your pin.
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u/Swimming_in_Soymilk Feb 08 '23
Pro tip that’s much faster, hold down volume up + power button (like you are turning it off). Now even if you don’t turn it off, it requires your passcode to get back in. Great because it can be done without looking.
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u/digitalasagna Feb 08 '23
For something specifically targeting such a controversial issue, I wouldn't trust reviews much. Haven't tried the app, though.
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u/crypticfreak Feb 08 '23
I looked through the reviews and they don't look like a negative brigade. I mean they could be... they just don't look like it.
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u/bushpotatoe Feb 07 '23
I wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.
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u/ConcreteState Feb 07 '23
It's been this way since we got cops.
It's just getting recorded now
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u/Falkuria Feb 07 '23
Only sane comment. People simply dont understand that we live in the age of information. Born before, born after, born during: nobody sees the change, or recognizes the landscape that they were born.
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u/ConcreteState Feb 07 '23
[My city] 1866: cop news was "Former Klansmen fill police rolls
When the federal troops stopped riding herd on them, they started hunting black people again.
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u/TheDukeofArgyll Feb 07 '23
Hopefully some of these old assholes controlling all the money and governments will have died out but then …
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u/One-Angry-Goose Feb 07 '23
Well we got three main options
1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime
2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline
3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)
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u/yhwhx Feb 07 '23
On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation.
Cops lie so I agree with the critics.
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u/ruiner8850 Feb 07 '23
Cops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.
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u/lonehappycamper Feb 07 '23
I took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.
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u/Mryan7600 Feb 07 '23
I had a cop write me a ticket for failing to stop at a stop sign an the way out of a parking lot. There was no stop sign there.
When I told him that he wrote me a second ticket for not wearing my seatbelt. I was still wearing it, I never took it off. He claimed he watched me put it on when he was walking toward the car.
Went to the police station to complain. They said there is no way to complain about a police officer.
Went in front of the judge. Cop lied to the judges face and I barely made it out without having to pay for the tickets. Probably only because I had pictures of the intersection plus a letter from the manager of the Walmart saying there had never been a stop sign.
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u/Ramitt80 Feb 07 '23
The Judge should have found the Officer in contempt for lying to the court.
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u/Mryan7600 Feb 07 '23
The judge said he didn’t believe me, but didn’t believe the officer beyond a shadow of a doubt either. So he dismissed the ticket. That judge dismissed almost every traffic ticket that night. With the exception of a suspended license and someone driving without a tag.
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u/17times2 Feb 07 '23
If you were a judge, wouldn't you feel absolutely disrespected getting a dozen traffic tickets that don't hold up to any scrutiny? How much they waste your time with their incompetence? But I guess those judges love it. How do you lick boot from such a lofty position?
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u/Mryan7600 Feb 07 '23
I really think I would feel disrespected. It also made me wonder just how many tickets would get thrown out if everyone had the time/money to fight their tickets. I got evening traffic court by luck. I would have lost a days pay if I had daytime court and chose to fight it.
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u/cmhamm Feb 08 '23
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I read somewhere that if three percent of people contested their tickets, the whole system would collapse. That’s how few people actually contest them.
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u/VisualKeiKei Feb 08 '23
Some jurisdictions, the court fees are purposely higher than the ticket itself, so even if you win, you're out more money than just paying for a wrongful ticket.
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u/nowake Feb 07 '23
The more suspects the cops bring in front of the court, the more judges and clerks the County needs to have on staff. Of course they wouldn't buck the system.
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u/ObsceneGesture4u Feb 07 '23
Gotta expand the bureaucracy to keep up with the ever expanding bureaucracy
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u/Geojewd Feb 08 '23
Writing bullshit tickets might help the police and generate revenue for the local government, but in my experience courts are wildly overworked just with legitimate cases. If it’s a conspiracy to create more judgeships and hire more court staff, it hasn’t been working.
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u/Lashay_Sombra Feb 07 '23
Lower court Judges by default side with cops, they don't see them as (lying) individuals but fellow public servants, its especially bad in traffic courts as in many jurisdictions judges basiclly act as judge and prosecution and as judges are elected they want high conviction rates to continue getting elected, fairness and impartiality are of secondary concern
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u/Goldenrah Feb 07 '23
Conviction rates are an abomination to law if they are seen as important. You either are innocent or guilty, having metrics be important to a judge's job beyond judging cases fairly, it's a perversion of Justice and should never be allowed.
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u/tjbay12 Feb 07 '23
Courts costs are also a revenue stream. I got a $140 speeding ticket a few years ago, and it would have cost $108.95 in court and administrative fees to contest the ticket. With either option, the county recieved at least $108.95 it did not have before the officer wrote the ticket.
Edit was to fix grammar and clear up some wording
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u/3riversfantasy Feb 07 '23
They are the boot makers, of course they like how look on the feet of police...
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u/gsfgf Feb 07 '23
It's literally the job of a traffic court judge to bring in traffic fine revenue. A lot of states don't even require them to be lawyers.
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u/-Phantazm- Feb 07 '23
You're not thinking like a municipal Judge.
I know a few municipal Judges in my area and they say "if the cop says you did it, that's good enough for me." Our rights are a fucking joke
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u/Sumtypeoway Feb 07 '23
He was covering the cops ass. He knew officer fat fuck was lying, had probably dealt with him being a dipshit before, and probably dismissed any other cases he had in court so they wouldn’t also bring up evidence of his lying. I’ve spent a lot of time in court and this is a pattern with particularly stupid police.
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u/Mryan7600 Feb 07 '23
That sounds possible. He did give the cop a hard time over “extraneous details” in his report. (He listed the weather and what I was drinking at the time[diet Dr Pepper])
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u/Sumtypeoway Feb 07 '23
Almost guaranteed. He couldn’t tell you or acknowledge that the cop was a liar or he would get disciplined or it would become an issue. Never, ever in the world has a legit cop had a traffic ticket thrown out because the judge didn’t believe them. He knew that cop and that was probably not the first time he’d had to do that.
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u/Tormundo Feb 07 '23
Whole thing is an inside club. Prosecutors, judges, cops are all on one team and the rest of us are another.
You're lucky the judge dismissed it tbh. 90% of the time you'd have to pay both
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u/teenagesadist Feb 07 '23
Can't trust a cop, can't trust a judge, I think if/when this whole thing collapses, we should make a permanent reminder that it wasn't the devil or abortion or anything, it was conservatives through and through that were the downfall of the country.
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u/Fadedcamo Feb 07 '23
You watch We Own the City? Perjury is just another part of the job. Worst these cops get is put on a list to stop being called up to court in key investigations. No cops ever face charges for lying in court.
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Police are allowed to lie and judges almost always side with the cop.
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u/Revlis-TK421 Feb 07 '23
Police are allowed to lie to people. They aren't allowed to lie to a judge in a court of law.
Proving that they lied in court is another thing entirely.
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u/LittleBootsy Feb 07 '23
Police are absolutely allowed to lie to a judge in the sense that nobody stops them.
Not only is punishment vanishingly rare, it's so expected that cops lie that there is a special legal term, Brady Cops, for cops known for lying more than just the regular amount.
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u/ohnoshebettadont18 Feb 07 '23
and prosecutors / judges arent legally allowed to discriminate in their rulings, yet data shows a black man is inherently likely to get a much longer sentence than a white man who committed an identical crime, with similar criminal records... who's stopping it?
outside of investigative journalism, all news agencies report based on the same information judges rule on... what the police tell them. so the public is already in favor of whatever le agencies claim the truth to be.
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u/WildYams Feb 07 '23
But even when cops are proven to have lied in court under oath they are almost never charged with perjury or even disciplined by their department. Usually it just means the case gets dropped and that's the end of it. Police lying in court is so common that there's even a term for it that cops came up with: "testilying".
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u/TrainOfThought6 Feb 07 '23
I once had a cop pull me over for speeding, and then also hint that she could get me for evasion too. Because apparently you're supposed to pull over when a cop is merely driving behind you with no lights or sirens. And you're also supposed to know the speed limit when it isn't posted.
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u/CriskCross Feb 07 '23
And you're also supposed to know the speed limit when it isn't posted.
In my state, I think the speed limit is assumed to be 55 when it's not posted.
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u/calm_chowder Feb 07 '23
Because apparently you're supposed to pull over when a cop is merely driving behind you with no lights or sirens.
Um no you're fucking not? What was that cop smoking.
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u/Luca_Morgano Feb 07 '23
Because apparently you're supposed to pull over when a cop is merely driving behind you with no lights or sirens.
Not that it matters to cops like that, but that is total bullshit. Even if they have their lights/sirens on with the intent to pull you over, you are within your rights to wait for a safe place to pull over and stop (within reason.)
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u/WildYams Feb 08 '23
That's supposed to be true in practice, but cops have shown that if they don't think you've pulled over fast enough, they have no problems whatsoever endangering your life to force you to submit.
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u/Luca_Morgano Feb 08 '23
Fucking disgusting. She was clearly acknowledging him too by turning on her right signal and then her hazards, just looking for a spot to pull over that wasn't a narrow shoulder with a wall up against it (safer for all parties.) Unfortunately, every right that we're supposed to have is ultimately "in theory," and in practice is often determined by the biases of agents of the law
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u/sn34kypete Feb 07 '23
Went to the police station to complain. They said there is no way to complain about a police officer.
There is, they just lie. There's actually plenty of video evidence where they get angry and aggressive when you say you want to file a complaint. "Oh we're out of forms" "Oh it's a lot of paperwork" "Well what's the complaint? I want to hear it first before you file". Tried to arrest a news crew for asking for one until they revealed they were filming lol.
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u/Mryan7600 Feb 07 '23
I saw a YouTube video years later that basically said this. I was so aggravated.
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u/Dead_Is_Better Feb 07 '23 •
I got a good story for ya. I was working in AC (Casino Dealer) and one evening I'm heading north on the Garden State Parkway (Speed Limit 55 at the time) in very heavy traffic while driving my sweet '89 5.0L Mustang in the right lane, doing no more than 50mph, and a NJ State Trooper passes me about half a mile before a toll booth and he's eyeballing me big time as he goes by. So I get up to the toll and as I knew he would be he's there just sitting in one of the toll lanes just waiting for me. So I go through the toll and he jumps right on me. This dick writes me a ticket for going 74 in a 55 and I am livid because I wasn't even doing 55 nonetheless 74 but it was the end of the month, I'm driving a target car, and he has a quota to meet. I take it to court and lose of course, I did get to call him a liar in open court so that was nice, but it cost me a fortune for the ticket and the insurance increase I wound up incurring. Sucked so bad but it doesn't end there though. About 6 months later I'm dealing Dice on a very busy game and $500 in cash hits the layout and I grab it and look up and wouldn't you know it, it's that same State Trooper. He doesn't recognize me and he makes some bets totaling $170 and I give him the $330 in change and never set up his bets. One of his numbers hits and he's all 'Were's my payout' and I leaned out towards him and said 'What bet (pause for effect) Trooper?' Now I can see his wheels turning trying to figure out how the hell I know he's a Trooper and then he goes and begins complaining to my Supervisor. My Supv. comes over and asks me what's up and I said he didn't have the bet so my Supv. says to him 'If DeadIs Better says you didn't have the bet, you didn't have it' and walks away. So he's pissed now and standing there trying to figure out his next move and I get tapped out to go on my break and he comes stomping over to meet me as I'm coming out of the Pit and he's all 'What The Fuck' and in my face and I, with all the contempt I could muster, said 'It sucks when someone LIES and costs you money doesn't it Trooper?' and just walked away to take my break. He was gone when I returned from my break 20mins later.
Fuck You Trooper Jablonski You Lying Bastard!!
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u/calm_chowder Feb 07 '23
Don't take this the wrong way but you're so fucking lucky he let it drop there instead of hunting you down like an animal later and ruining your life, tasing you, or at least flooding you with more fake tickets. There was just a story about police harassing someone to the point of leaving dead animals on their doorstep. You're a braver man than I. But I'm happy you got your moment and no repercussions.
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u/Dead_Is_Better Feb 07 '23
Not brave, just stupid, and I never saw that lying bastard again. Sure felt good though lol.
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u/dws515 Feb 07 '23
Kudos, that took some fucking balls. I could never handle confrontation like that lol
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u/Dead_Is_Better Feb 08 '23
I'm all about confrontation and I've got the scars to prove it lol. Before court the Prosecutor came to me, I was there with a girlfriend, and he asked us to follow him into an office area full of Cops. Once there he offered to knock my ticket down to 69 in a 55 which was a 2pt ticket not the 4pt ticket I was looking at. He thought he was doing me a favor but I about lost my shit and started cursing at him and saying all sorts of shit. Every Cop in that office, including that lying bastard, were on their feet instantly and my girlfriend saw that and she just bearhugged me around the waist and literally dragged me out of there and down the hall. I had no idea she was so strong lol. She definitely saved me from having a very very bad night.
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u/fiddycaldeserteagle Feb 07 '23
Trooper Jablonski needs an ass whoopin right meow
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u/imfreerightnow Feb 07 '23
Please let this be true. But I find it difficult to believe given the amount of cameras in casinos.
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u/Skeptical_Yoshi Feb 07 '23
Luckily, cops tend to be REALLY fucking stupid and you thankfully got a cop who sucked at coming up with lies on the spot
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u/Mryan7600 Feb 07 '23
I think he thought he was super clever including details about the weather and the soda I was drinking in the report(I had a diet Dr Pepper that I was drinking) like the more details he crammed in the more it would sound like he was telling the truth.
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u/d3k3d Feb 07 '23
My girlfriend got a ticket in front of my house. The address and date on the ticket was wrong to make it look like she was parked illegally. She went to court to fight it and she said the judge scoffed and asked her if she was serious fighting a ticket. People don't trust the system because it's corrupt and broken.
I got a fake ticket from a cop that said I was parked a block away. I worked at a halfway house for the DOC and could prove I didn't park there. Still had to pay it.
You work in the system to try to help and fix it until you realize it's impossible and you leave mistrusting it even more.
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u/Independent_Path_738 Feb 07 '23
Me and a buddy got pulled over. Cop gave us breathalyzer and searched for drugs, nothing, we were completely sober and didn't have anything. He charged my friend with public intoxication, he had to spend the night I jail and when he went to court the judge did like you said scoffed and said are you serious. He explained that he was a passenger in a car and there was no evidence of doing anything and the judge said he couldn't have a public defender for small charges and he would find him guilty if he tried to defend himself.
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u/Rapturesjoy Feb 07 '23
Cameras, I would have cameras all over the fucking car.
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u/LittleBootsy Feb 07 '23
I hate that a rational response to the US justice system is "spend a ton of money and energy to protect myself to a reasonable degree."
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u/17times2 Feb 07 '23
and the judge said he couldn't have a public defender for small charges
Not surprised a trash judge presiding over a US court of law wouldn't give a shit about the 6th amendment.
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u/Independent_Path_738 Feb 07 '23
Yeah a lot of people don't understand that a cop can charge you for anything, you'll go to jail and it's up to you and at least a few thousand dollars for an attorney to fight it. And if a cop says they seen something good luck fighting that.
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u/Justicar-terrae Feb 07 '23
SCOTUS has long held that defendants don't have a right to free counsel in small cases that carry little to no risk of jail time. https://www.justia.com/criminal/procedure/miranda-rights/right-to-public-defender.
It's not ideal that we have this exception codified in the case law, but it would also be impractical for state governments to provide lawyers for every single traffic offense case.
None of this is to say the judge in the story wasn't an asshole, though. People have a right to present their case, and a judge shouldn't be ruling on any matter until after evidence has been presented. It's a slap in the face of due process to threaten defendants that you will find them guilty if they try to defend themselves.
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u/lousy_at_handles Feb 07 '23
It's also worth mentioning that you do not have the right to free counsel. You have the right to have an attorney present. You only have the right for free counsel if you are completely unable to pay for it ("if you are unable to afford an attorney..."), and the bar for what constitutes being able to pay for it is very, very low.
They will absolutely bill you for a public defender.
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u/dkwangchuck Feb 07 '23
and the judge said he couldn't have a public defender for small charges and he would find him guilty if he tried to defend himself.
Make a formal complaint against the judge. There will be a transcript of him saying this.
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u/strugglz Feb 07 '23
worked at a halfway house for the DOC and could prove I didn't park there. Still had to pay it.
Employed by the government and still getting fucked by crooked cops and judges? Sounds right.
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u/ruiner8850 Feb 07 '23
I got a parking ticket once I'm sure because my bitch neighbor called and said there was a car on the street that hadn't been moved for a long time. The funny thing was that I was actually serving on a federal jury the week I got the ticket and therefore had been using it every day. It's just that I would always park in the same place in front of my house. Luckily I was able to have the bailiff (or whatever he was) talk to the judge and get me something in writing saying I was at jury duty all week.
I'm sure it was that neighbor who called because one time when I was a kid I had left my bike on the side of my house on my property and she called the police saying there was a stolen bike there. She straight up admitted that she had called the cops on it and she thought it was hilarious.
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u/Pohatu5 Feb 08 '23
As a teenager, my father was driving me and a number of other kids to a school function. A driver in the oncoming lane experienced a medical emergency and lost control of the vehicle, driving straight towards us, hitting us off the road, totaling our truck. None of us kids were injured, though my dad's knee was pretty banged up. We had to keep the wreck in our driveway for several weeks there after with a tarp over it while trying to sort things out with the auto and health insurance. During this time, we got a real passive aggressive letter from one of our neighbors saying it was against some bylaw for us to keep the wreck on our driveway. Imagine leaving that note to someone you know was in a terrible car accident and was currently trying not to get screwed by insurance.
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u/findingmike Feb 07 '23
This is why you record everything. Everyone should have cars with cameras all over them and other data that can be shown in court.
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u/Johnny_Appleweed Feb 07 '23
It wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.
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u/LoBeastmode Feb 07 '23
These mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.
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u/SovereignPhobia Feb 07 '23
55 in a 54
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u/BRAX7ON Feb 07 '23
Failure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.
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u/johnmyster Feb 07 '23
"the judge backed the officer."
Dear God help us all. 🤦♂️
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u/BRAX7ON Feb 07 '23
They obviously knew each other. I don’t know if they were old friends or just colleagues that liked to speed up the proceedings in this manner. But this was in Colorado in the 90s and I felt like the whole system was crooked as fuck. Still do tbf
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u/johnmyster Feb 07 '23
If it weren't such a long time ago and not worth the cost of a lawyer, I wonder if there's any chance to appeal to a higher court where the judge isn't so local. Maybe so petty of a case isn't appealable.
Of course, that judge may be able to find some obscure legal justification in old English common law that predates cars and lightbulbs to justify your ticket.
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u/jtmarshiii Feb 07 '23
so... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?
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u/BRAX7ON Feb 07 '23
The funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.
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u/jtmarshiii Feb 07 '23
Got pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.
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u/Mataraiki Feb 07 '23
Years ago my mom hit a patch of black ice, slide off the road, and rolled multiple times. She got a ticket for failing to signal before leaving the road.
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u/simpletonsavant Feb 07 '23
I was in a roll over accident and had to be life flighted out. Cop wrote me a ticket for no seat belt, and I had to leave the hospital with a head swollen twice it's normal size to show the seat belt bruise.
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u/zer1223 Feb 07 '23
Correct. They don't give a single shit about fairness or integrity. They think they deserve to shit on everyone else, simply due to them being a cop
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u/omfgcows Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
I contested a ticket in court because they said I ran a stop sign, I didn't. The cop that showed up wasn't even the one that pulled me over (A blonde woman pulled me over and a brunette guy showed up in court). He lied about the incident but the judge gave me a plea to expunge it from my record so I took it because I knew it was a losing battle.
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u/II-leto Feb 07 '23
If the cop that wrote the ticket doesn’t show up to court, their name is on the ticket, the case is (usually) dismissed. Got out of one many years ago because of that. May have changed by now and different jurisdictions may have different rules. I think it falls under being able to face your accuser but ianal.
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u/ballrus_walsack Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
That used to be the way you could get out of tickets, but the new ticket printing machines in the cop cars have an affidavit from the officer that makes the ticket their sworn testimony (or something like that) so they don’t have to show up.
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u/Pissed_Off_SPC Feb 07 '23
How does that comply with the sixth amendment? Genuinely curious what their legal reasoning looks like.
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u/puterSciGrrl Feb 07 '23
1) It's coded as civil, not criminal in a lot of states. No possibility of incarceration, just civil penalty, so a lot of the rights you have as a criminal defendant don't apply.
2) If civil, it's based on preponderance of the evidence, not proof. It just has to look like you just barely likely that you probably did it. Pretty much any evidence that isn't countered by contrary evidence is enough.
3) The state, county or city is the accuser here. The cop is just a [chronically perjurious] witness.
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u/Fivelon Feb 07 '23
Last time I wanted to fight a ticket I thought about exactly this -- pay the $200 or put myself on their personal radar.
Guess I'll pony up. It's bullshit.
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u/FalseProgress5 Feb 07 '23
I was in jail for a bit. One night I asked a guard, very politely, if I could have my lunch I never got since I worked the night shift in laundry. The next day I got dragged into a room surrounded by five officers all saying I need to apologize for "yelling at the officer" and "demanding my lunch". I told em to show me the video of me yelling, there's literally cameras everywhere in there. But they said they were all witnesses, so I got the boot from laundry duty. It was the dumbest, most ridiculous interaction with a group of adults I've ever had. Not one, but five officers all saying the same lie, simply because one of them was annoyed by a question.
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u/ruiner8850 Feb 07 '23
My sister had a couple of similar circumstances. One with a speeding ticket and one where she got an MIP when she was the only one not drinking. The other people were drinking, but she was the only one who questioned the cop. Her and her friend fought the ticket and the cop just lied about what happened. Her friend who didn't actually say anything in court had her ticket dismissed, but the cop and judge didn't like that she had the gall to question what was happening.
With her speeding ticket she knew it was the car in front of her that his radar caught speeding. My sister has always been such a cautious driver that it gets borderline annoying. She's also a self-described "rule follower" which is I think the major reason why she was so upset about the people who are supposed to enforce society's rules not following the rules. Anyway, the cop literally admitted to the judge that he wasn't 100% sure if it was her car that was speeding, but she had a red car and "people with red cars speed." The judge agreed with the cop that "people with red cars speed" was enough evidence for him.
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u/crazy_balls Feb 07 '23
I got a ticket when I was a teen for 67 in a 55. Only problem was the speed limit was 65. I took a picture and took it to court. Judge looked at me and said "Speeding is speeding. Pay your fine."
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u/ruiner8850 Feb 07 '23
I've had multiple run-ins with cops who were assholes to me for absolutely no reason. For instance I used to have an apartment a few blocks away from where my parents lived. I didn't have a washer and dryer at my apartment so I'd go there to do it. One night I think somewhere between 1am-2am I left their house after finishing my laundry.
In the few blocks of driving to get back to my place a cop pulled me over for having a headlight out. I had noticed it being out that night and purchased a new one, but it was nighttime and I was going to replace it when I could actually see. Anyway, as soon as he got to my window he started harassing me and accusing me of drunk driving even though I literally hadn't had a drop of alcohol all night. He wouldn't let it go and kept accusing me of lying. I asked him if he pulled me over because of the headlight which he confirmed. The shopping bag with the light was on the passenger seat next to me and I told told him that I had just purchased it a few hours earlier and he could look at the receipt.
I then told him my apartment was like 30 yards away and you could see it from there. At that point he did stop harassing me about being drunk and he ended up letting me go without even a fix it ticket, but I didn't understand why he needed to the interaction so confrontational from the beginning. Just because a 20 something year old is out late at night it doesn't mean that they are drunk driving. He had every right to pull me over for the headlight, but there was no reason to be an asshole.
I've never been a trouble maker even in the slightest and yet that's just one of the multiple interactions I've had with asshole cops. I will say I've had 2 speeding tickets and those particular cops just did their job in a professional manner. I can only think of a single time when a cop was actually really cool.
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u/YooAre Feb 07 '23
His shift was ending and he needed you to get yourself arrested so he could tap that overtime. They do this all the time. If you ever get summoned for jury duty, spend some time in the halls of the courthouse and listen to the cops brag and share how they " double dipped it" or "tapped that OT" or ask to for a subpoena from a DA when it's not needed just to be called in on a day that gets them more cash
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u/Lost_Thought Feb 07 '23
Overtime needs to be outlawed. Too ripe for abuse and it's just a bandaid for unlivable wages.
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u/calm_chowder Feb 08 '23
Cops often make well over $100,000 a year by gaming the OT system.
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u/ericmm76 Feb 07 '23
Never ever ever let your friends or self date a cop. Of all the things you can do.
That's not enough, as they'll be quick to harass. But just, no. Avoid, avoid, avoid.
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u/NarrMaster Feb 07 '23
They know you know they are lying and still don't care.
They lie to insult us.
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u/good_guy_judas Feb 07 '23
These critics asking for something so absurd as an impartial and unbiased team of outside investigators? Pff what else are they going to ask for? Accountabillity within the departments? Fuck outta here.
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u/ocotebeach Feb 08 '23
In Arizona there was a Pinal County Sheriff with a self inflicted gun shot and blamed Mexican immigrants for it. That helped pass a controversial law SB1070. Later when they found out it was self inflicted there was no charges or anything more than a slap on the wrist.
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u/PoofBam Feb 07 '23
He was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.
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u/petripeeduhpedro Feb 07 '23
Well this poor shooting accuracy is why we need Cop City so badly /s
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u/Meta_Digital Feb 07 '23
The police are how a government wages war on its people while claiming that it's actually protection.
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u/AnonAqueous Feb 07 '23
They say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified.
For some reason, I don't believe that. Maybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.
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u/Losaj Feb 07 '23
If he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?
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u/Timmah_1984 Feb 07 '23
I thought they already did? The bullet was recovered from the Officer who was shot and matched to the gun. I suppose that still doesn’t tell you who shot first but it’s at least evidence that there was an exchange of gunfire.
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u/GreenTreeUnderleaf Feb 08 '23
“GBI spokeswoman Nelly Miles said the agency confirmed via transaction records that Teran, known to friends as “Tortuguita,” legally purchased the Smith & Wesson in question in September 2020. They later provided a copy of the transaction document.”
“The GBI previously said that ballistics testing showed the gun found at the scene of Teran’s death fired the bullet that struck the trooper. But until Monday they had not revealed evidence directly tying the gun to Teran.”
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u/BatheMyDog Feb 07 '23
If the body cams proved this guy did shoot a cop, I bet the cops would have released the video by now. They’ll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing and nothing will change.
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u/ciel_lanila Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
From what I understand, Atlanta police don’t use body cams. Don’t need to cover it up if you don’t produce it.
EDIT: Looks like I might have gotten the Atlanta PD and the Georgia state police mixed up.
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u/gsfgf Feb 07 '23
APD uses body cams. They sent in the state patrol instead and claim no APD officers were there, which is a red flag in and of itself.
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u/RevWaldo Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
So why haven't they identified the state trooper that was allegedly shot? Is that standard Atlanta or Georgia policy? In New York, cop sprains his their pinky in the line of duty, they do a full press conference at the hospital when they're wheeled out.
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u/fappyday Feb 07 '23
Cop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.
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u/reddicyoulous Feb 07 '23
https://twitter.com/jisaacraymond/status/1615787242038902804/photo/1
Police have repeatedly raided the protest encampments in Weelaunee Forest, harassed and detained neighbors walking through the park, and attacked protestors with tear gas and rubber bullets. During past raids, police have consistently escalated violent tactics on protestors who were sitting on trees or standing in a public park. On multiple occasions, the have cut tree limbs and rope out from under tree sitters in a fashion likely to cause serious injury or death. Today's raid began with police shutting down a public road and pointing guns into the park.
Look at what they're doing to clear the area so they can be train to become even bigger bastards
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u/Bamith20 Feb 08 '23
I feel that an actual end result is literally just cops forming actual, literal gangs and cartels competing against each other for protection rackets like the Tojo Clan in Yakuza circles.
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u/prehensile-titties- Feb 08 '23
I mean the LASD already have actual literal gangs with names like Los Banditos and the Executioners.
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u/NickDanger3di Feb 07 '23
For the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?
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u/tresspricingtot Feb 07 '23
First we're gonna have to stop calling murderers cops
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u/nohumanape Feb 07 '23
I can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.
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u/mozartkart Feb 07 '23
They inconvenienced us and our only tool is authority and a gun
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u/Bigbootsy127 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
Police officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023.
Official say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.
According to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene
GBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020.
there is no body cam footage of the shooting.
Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.
ETA: punctuation and grammar errors
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u/Hir0h Feb 07 '23
Ok genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?
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u/Cheese_Coder Feb 07 '23
Looking at the chart at the end of this article the number of killings (justified or not) by police has increased by a little under 10% since 2014. Convictions did tick up after Floyd, so there may have been an associated increase in reporting from that
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u/silver-orange Feb 07 '23
https://www.thelancet.com/cms/attachment/4f67f655-3f44-4d6f-aa3b-8748dda09ddb/gr2.jpg
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01609-3/fulltextThere's been a pretty steady increase since 1985, looks like. Annual deaths roughly doubled over a 35 year period.
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u/Crizbibble Feb 08 '23
If police shootings increased over 35 years then it was increasing as the crime rate was dramatically dropping but the population was increasing. Seems a pretty strange correlation.
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u/Plastic-Associate486 Feb 07 '23
The police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.
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u/Pryoticus Feb 07 '23
It’s definitely suspicious that there’s no body cam footage. It would be completely justified if he actually shot a cop and was a clear and present threat but then you would think they would provide evidence to corroborate that narrative
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u/ComputerSong Feb 07 '23
"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation." 🙄
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u/madfrogurt Feb 07 '23
At some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.
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u/lostwng Feb 07 '23
The shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible